417 - Expectation Failed

07:40:00 So, what was the fix for installing gitit from hackage? 12:30:48 Hi all, I just started my first ever happs app :) 12:33:32 Any first time advice for beginner? 14:07:17 bonobo2: have a great time! 14:07:41 yep, having right now :) 14:47:01 hehe 14:56:57 you know what? it works perfectly even under Windows! 15:12:12 hmmm 15:12:16 417 - Expectation Failed 15:12:26 why do I get this with lighttpds proxy module? 15:15:10 with "curl -F \"content=foobar" " 15:25:45 bonobo2: of course! 15:26:12 McManiaC: no idea 15:27:28 16:18 dy server.reject-expect-100-with-417 = "disable" 15:27:28 16:19 McManiaC whats that good for? 15:27:29 16:21 dy i dont know, but it 'hides' that message 15:27:31 from #lighttpd 15:27:32 lol 15:30:55 http://redmine.lighttpd.net/issues/show/1017 15:32:29 ah okay 15:32:32 xesh 15:32:34 bah 15:32:43 missed the M- on that one.. 16:21:24 Hey, I can delete files in archive/ right? 16:21:48 I just found that hpaste is using 11GB on my virtual server. 16:21:53 and it's all in archive/ 16:22:08 specifically /home/sorear/hpaste_state/archive/ 16:22:35 4471 files ... 16:23:45 > 11 * 1024 * 1024 / 4471 16:23:46 2579.8112279132183 16:24:08 those are big spammy pastes? 16:24:25 aavogt: I think it's that the entire state is copied each time. 16:24:58 oh, it uses happstacks's serialization? 16:25:19 you shouldn't have to keep old checkpoints around 16:25:45 I got 11GB back from deleting them. 16:31:06 aavogt: y0 wassup? 16:31:27 shapr: no idea.. archive is something hpaste specific 16:32:07 ACTION sometimes wonders what happened to sorear 16:32:53 Cabal is hiding internals from cabal install such that the best answer is probably copy-pasta 16:36:33 Yeah, I wonder what happened to some of the good folk like TheHunter, sorear, Marvin--, dennisb and many others. 16:37:38 at least we are still here :) 16:38:10 Yeah, happily! 16:38:17 And sometimes, I know what happened to people... 16:38:43 sethk was working for BUGLabs, keeping GHC built for the BUG, he had ulcer surgery, and died during the procedure. 16:40:01 Back to more cheerful things in life, I think I now have enough space to finish building gitit 16:40:41 Oh, I had an amusing thought... 16:41:04 The recent bug tracker written in Haskell, why not put up a public instance of that for each cabbage? 16:44:34 people object to doing it automatically -- because the authors may have a different bug tracker, or may not check it at all, leading to people feeling as if filing bugs is a waste of time 16:44:53 I don't like that. 16:44:55 but making it an option could be cool 16:45:03 I think a lot more of hackage should be .cabal driven 16:45:13 For example, include a bug tracker url, or get the default 16:46:12 that seems reasonable 16:46:51 though, it still doesn't mean that the package authors will look at the bug reports. Though if they got an email when a bug was submitted that would probably help 16:47:35 for the end users it is certainly easier if there is a single way of submitting bug reports for all packages 16:48:19 Yup 16:48:36 We'll probably need to add cryptographic signatures soon. 16:51:36 alas, I only have time to focus on happstack, so someone else will have to do it ;) 16:51:44 Yup 16:51:58 I always have too much to do... 16:51:59 perhaps patch-tag could get involved somehow 16:52:10 Most recent distraction is setting up a hackerspace here in Northwest Alabama. 16:52:26 any luck finding the other hacker in Northwest Alabama? 16:52:32 Actually yes! 16:52:38 nice! 16:52:47 And he's just like me, except fourteen years younger. 16:52:55 Seriously, it's really scary. 16:53:01 so when he dates 17 year olds, it's not creepy ;) 16:53:06 :-P 16:53:40 I am thinking of starting a chicago electronic musician coop :) 16:53:44 Awesome! 16:53:55 Do you post any of your music? 16:54:01 shapr: soon 16:54:24 I just want to hear anything, jam sessions or whatever. 16:54:25 shapr: aiming to have something to post by april 16:54:49 I downloaded Mike Doughty's live shows from etree years ago, only recently got hooked on them. 16:55:02 http://www.n-heptane.com/jeremy/mp3s/musicbox%20No.%202.mp3 16:55:16 that is one of the few things I have written that was actually good :) 16:55:28 Sounds like lullatone, I like it! 16:55:44 You know Pajama Pop? 16:55:49 nope 16:56:26 http://www.last.fm/music/Lullatone 16:56:33 I also have a joke band that covers the same song every halloween (writen by my friends 7-year old sister) 16:56:35 http://www.n-heptane.com/jack/Halloween%20is%20Coming%20(2009).mp3 16:58:01 heh, this lullatone stuff is nice 16:58:22 You have two different desktop connected to the 'net? 16:58:29 You told me why you have two clients before, but I forget... 16:59:08 my mac desktop and my linux laptop 16:59:30 the good speakers are on the mac, so I switched machines to put on the music 16:59:41 here is a song from my joke goth band 16:59:42 http://www.n-heptane.com/jeremy/mp3s/Don't%20Cry%20(Kate).mp3 16:59:45 gothedral 16:59:59 not done yet 17:10:28 MusicBox No. 2 is very nice. 17:11:38 Don't Cry Kate stops suddenly... 17:12:58 yes.. that's all we wrote so far 17:14:50 Why not FLAC or OGG? 17:15:03 I get unhappy about the psychological compression in mp3. 17:15:32 Nice voice in Don't Cry Kate 17:16:43 because logic pro 9 has an 'export as mp3 option?' -- plus easier to make it a ringtone on your phone ;) 17:17:45 Ah 17:18:15 for real releases you will have your choice of download formats 17:19:20 I bought this sennheiser headset years ago, and I couldn't stand to listen to lots of my MP3s after that. 17:19:27 heh 17:19:35 I have three different sennheiser headsets :) 17:19:47 unfortunately, the cable is bad on two of them 17:19:51 Hard to fix? 17:19:59 What models? 17:20:07 no, on those the cable is replacable -- but it is $25 17:20:11 Ah yeah. 17:20:16 V0 mp3s are fine tho 17:20:17 so I bought a third set for using on the train... but it was only $28 17:20:24 no need to go flac or similiar :> 17:20:25 On the other hand, if you have Sennheiser 550s or 650s. 17:21:10 HD 25 SP 17:21:41 Ah, nice! 17:22:07 they need a new cable and new foam pads on the ear pieces 17:22:17 I have the PC 150 headset, not high end, but not bad. 17:23:08 Oh, I bought Bose Quiet Comfort 3 headphones for working at Raytheon, they were just passable. But then I tried Etymotic ER6i in-ear isolaters (or whatever they're called) and they're AWESOME! 17:23:29 the cheap ones I have ar ethe HD 202.. but they double as ear muffs in the winter, which is really nice 17:23:37 I had some bizarre side-effects, but the sound quality and external isolation is INCREDIBLE! 17:24:08 side effects? 17:24:51 They're in-ear, right? 17:25:43 So clean your ears first. If you naturally produce unusually large amounts of earwax, and you haven't had your ears cleaned in five or six years, and you don't think about it ahead of time... 17:26:02 Then stuffing these into your ears will cause the earwax to get compacted against your eardrums and you'll be somewhat deaf until you get ear lavage. 17:26:22 haha okay 17:26:46 I was somewhat deaf for about two weeks because of compacted earwax issues. 17:27:05 I know that feeling :S 17:27:07 :D 17:27:09 I still use the ER6i isolators, but I clean my ears regularly now. 17:27:14 McManiaC: You're somewhat deaf? 17:27:25 compacted earwax issues :P 17:27:29 Ah yes. 17:28:00 Usually I have decent to excellent hearing, it was very weird and unsettling to have sudden hearing loss. 17:28:23 I looked online to see if I could fine cheaper replacement cables, but instead I found these, http://www.aloaudio.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_59&products_id=302 17:29:13 I need a new mp3 player 17:29:19 any recommendations? :D 17:29:28 How do you use it? 17:29:49 I bought a sansa clip 4gb for use while unicycling. It's light and shock resistant. 17:30:12 And it's a standard usb mass storage device 17:30:14 not very often, but sometimes for running etc 17:30:19 shapr: I also have the HD 414 headphones somewhere 17:30:38 Ah, I'm jealous :-) 17:31:00 The solution to better audio quality is not $600 cables, it's pushing digital sound as close to the eardrum as possible. 17:31:39 imo.. 17:31:47 http://www.hoh.de/MP3-Player/SanDisk/SanDisk-Sansa-Clip-4GB-FM-schwarz_i872_100697.htm this one? 17:32:09 Yup, though that looks a bit expensive to me. 17:32:33 okay 17:32:34 ^^ 17:32:52 They're $45 USD here, and the euro is beating the dollar, yeah? 17:32:54 shapr: yeah, the $600 cables are funny 17:33:36 shapr: I think we have higher taxes or something 17:33:40 I recommend the nexus one mp3 player 17:33:47 McManiaC: Are you in .de? 17:33:57 .se has 25% VAT, ouch 17:34:01 I spent five years paying that! 17:34:01 yeh 17:34:10 hehe 17:34:22 Isn't .de in the top three of highest VAT? 17:34:25 I forget... 17:34:40 19% 18:50:33 dcoutts: what is the url to the new hackage server source ? 18:50:58 dcoutts: I am ready to look at the improvements you made to authentication and see what could be moved into happstack itself... 18:57:28 Any reason I shouldn't swap out apache for gitit? 18:58:00 um.. they aren't really the same thing.. 18:58:43 but go for it! 18:58:46 lol 18:59:05 I mean, should I worry about security or anything else? 18:59:28 dunno. I have not used gitit 19:00:05 but if you want to run gitit, then having apache there doesn't really help with security as far as I know 19:00:37 ok 19:03:29 apache could do http auth 19:09:28 aavogt: happstack can do http auth... 19:10:19 I mean that it might be easier to trust apache to do that, especially if other stuff on that site depends on apache anyways 19:10:37 It's ScannedInAvian.com, it only does stuff for me at the moment. 19:12:04 aavogt: dunno, I have seldom found anything with apache to be 'easier' ;) 19:12:21 quite true 19:12:32 easier iff it's already set up 19:18:39 I switched back to lighttpd + happstack instead of only happstack today :> 19:18:49 McManiaC: and look what trouble it brought you! 19:18:53 yeh 19:18:54 :D 19:19:00 why did you switch back? 19:19:10 but now I can run two happstack/hack/whatever programms independent of each other \o/ 19:19:22 yeah, that is why I have apache around 19:19:28 and to run wordpress for now 19:19:32 yeh 19:19:56 gotta implement mod_php for happstack ;) 19:19:58 I need a easy to use blog/similiar 19:20:03 (which is not all that hard I think..) 19:20:18 but I kinda dislike wordpress & co 19:20:20 :> 19:20:27 yeah 19:20:56 http://github.com/mcmaniac/hdown ← if I had more time I'd work on this :D 19:21:42 I have one I wrote in happstack, but I wrote it the hardway, so it is not quite usable yet 19:22:56 the hard way == composed of several independent libraries instead of one monolithic app 19:23:03 maybe I'll just add users to npaste, add markdown rendering for user pages and use that as a blog :D 19:23:10 hah 19:23:19 could you write BSD3 version of pandoc while you are at all? 19:23:25 s/at all/at it/ ? 19:23:31 bsd3? 19:23:42 lisenced 19:24:04 licensed 19:24:06 what license does pandoc use? 19:24:10 GPL 19:24:14 I never thought much about licenses :S 19:24:28 whats wrong with gpl? 19:24:32 GPL assumes I am evil, which offends me :) 19:24:41 hmkay 19:24:41 lol 19:28:17 plus it's arrogant. Even though pandoc is only a small portion of the code base my app is somehow 'derived from pandoc'. Even if the pandoc support is a compile time option.. that just doesn't make sense.. 19:31:18 the pandoc author has released his work to folks that want to advance the gnu vision. What's arrogant about that ? 19:31:35 sm: :) 19:32:21 sm: because it's built largely on BSD3 code, yet his stuff's too good for that :p 19:32:29 sm: I'm mostly just joking around 19:33:03 ok.. I agree it's inconvenient at times 19:33:32 Licensing libraries under the GPL strikes me as roughly analogous to Microsoft releasing Word with a license that says all documents you create with it are their property. 19:34:18 I also think it would be a pity for the haskell world to develop more misunderstanding and dislike for the GPL 19:34:43 the GPL is rooted in fear and distrust to start with.. 19:34:46 But don't get me wrong. I generally agree with the idea of using the GPL for *programs* (to be clearly distinguished from libraries). 19:35:34 stepcut: have you read the FSF's GPL literature ? 19:35:40 sm: yes 19:36:11 stepcut: I can't disagree with that, but then every experience I've had with companies has reinforced my distrust of them. 19:37:31 the GPL rightly did not trust the corporate world to play nice without some legal enforcement. That was obviously correct imho 19:38:38 I've wished for an open source FPGA design stack for decades. 19:38:47 Several have been started, Xilinx repeatedly shuts them down. 19:39:34 The legal backing for Xilinx shutting them down is that they're targeting Xilinx hardware, or something to that effect. 19:39:36 sm: that depends on your definition of 'play nice' though 19:39:39 shapr: I can understand where you're coming from there, but when you're writing a *free* library it seems to me that the whole point is to create something widely useful that will promote the most benefit. 19:40:18 ...unless I have a specific for-profit motive, then I usually don't care if someone uses my library as the basis for something else closed source or for-profit. 19:40:28 mightybyte: Yeah, I understand.. but my experience working in large companies says to me that they are currently too rooted in corporate selfishness for them to give back without legal repercussions. 19:40:35 ...and a lot of times I feel the same way even when I do have a for-profit motive. 19:41:50 Honestly, I used to be a BSD3 voter, but a few years ago I did a bunch of research for a blog article on GPL vs BSD3, and I ended up coming up pro-GPL. 19:42:28 shapr: but you still use emacs and not vi, right ? 19:42:40 I do. 19:43:00 shapr: so, you're not all bad then ;) 19:43:25 Is emacs BSD3? 19:43:30 no 19:44:11 just means you aren't one of those vi users :) 19:44:15 I guess it seems to me that BSD is only a useful license because some companies are scared of giving their software back to the community. 19:44:17 hah 19:45:02 It seems to me that in recent years many companies have become significantly more "trustworthy" in that regard. 19:46:40 It seems to me that software is math at some level; I think that's even more apparent in the Haskell world. 19:46:50 ACTION agrees 19:47:19 I don't have a problem with a someone creating and selling a product that requires resources to produce, like hardware. 19:47:32 software takes resources to create :( 19:47:44 And at some level I don't have a problem with people selling software for the cost of the resources it takes to design it... 19:48:05 But that seems to me to quickly turn into software as a service. 19:48:17 how do you feel about bands charging admission to their concerts? 19:48:48 I don't mind, though I'd like to assassinate TicketMaster and scalpers. 19:49:23 if a band is playing for 100 people, and 10 more people show up -- it is no extra work for them.. is it fair to charge those last 10 people anyway? 19:49:26 I guess I don't want any smart person to have to waste their time solving a problem that someone else has already solved. 19:49:46 stepcut: Yeah, that's a point. 19:49:57 That's an inconsistency in my beliefs... 19:49:59 ACTION thinks about that. 19:50:36 the band has the right to decide that any way they want 19:50:48 Sure, I agree. 19:51:06 and nobody is forced to come listen to them 19:51:20 Along those lines, I've spent more money on bands that allow live taping and uploading to http://bt.etree.org/ 19:52:17 Some economic researchers had the idea to abolish copyright entirely (for digitally reproducible works), and setup distribution networks to every streetcorner. 19:52:24 You pay $1 for a DVD worth of whatever... 19:52:44 Artists could still make money that way. 19:52:45 I think that's called the internet.. 19:52:54 how would artists make money? 19:53:07 are artists supposed to make money? 19:53:14 Let's say you produce a hit single, a zillion people download your song. 19:53:24 The distribution network then hands you a chunk of money to produce more songs. 19:54:06 shapr: there is only one distribution network? 19:54:18 Maybe there are multiples, I don't think it would matter. 19:55:01 shapr: so there are lots of distribution networks, and they can all distribute the tracks with out having to pay royalties. But some of them are going to pay artists to write more songs that everyone else can distribute? 19:55:20 Hm 19:55:36 I like talking to people who poke logical holes in my arguments :-) 19:55:46 :) 19:56:00 Hmmmm... 19:56:01 ACTION is torn between liking copyright to preserve ownership for complex works like code, but not liking copyright for things like digital music where it's nice to not be sued for downloading a bit of data. 19:56:32 At the same time, industries benefit dramatically from "piracy"! 19:56:54 Exactly 19:56:58 Microsoft would lose market share quickly if Windows could not be illegally copied. 19:57:10 ...which is why I tend to be against copyright for digital music 19:57:16 they would give more free trials? 19:57:35 aavogt: Yeah, but you don't get addicted to free trials, otherwise more people would use Linux. 19:57:45 You get used to something and you don't want to change, because change takes effort. 19:58:03 I have not learned Finnish because I didn't grow up using it, and two years of lessons wasn't enough to get it to stick in my head. 19:58:08 Costs too much for me to change. 19:58:11 Well, Microsoft's ownership of the code and people who understand Windows would still be a valuable asset. 19:58:25 Most people grow up with Windows, and thus they use it. 19:58:55 well the only difference between pirating windows and legaly downloading some linux distro is that you think you're getting something more valuable when you pirate it 19:59:00 I used to play CounterStrike lots on WINE, and for years I advocated running CS on WINE in Linux. I said "It doesn't cost anything!" 19:59:13 One day somebody said "Shut up! Do you think any of us have ever paid for Windows?" 19:59:29 as in "if they can charge money for it, it must be good" 19:59:36 Yeah, that's an interesting point. 19:59:50 Transitive value? 20:00:02 aavogt: there was a study where people enjoyed wine more if they were told is was more expensive :) 20:00:08 but people do charge money for supporting free stuff anyways 20:00:44 I'm one of those weirdos who does his very best to appreciate something on its own merit. 20:00:58 20:42 stepcut shapr: so, you're not all bad then ;) 20:01:05 hey :D what about vim? :P 20:01:35 McManiaC: *shun* 20:02:46 :P 20:02:48 Habit is a strong force. 20:02:56 If you get into the habit of using Windows, it's hard to change. 20:03:09 I use emacs only with auctex 20:03:11 Because of that, I pushed myself to switch to Linux in 1999. 20:03:12 I *love* it 20:03:13 ...especially for things that have a high barrier to entry. 20:03:17 but theres nothing like coding in vim 20:03:18 :) 20:03:19 if you didn't pay for something then you have little personal investment in it.. but if you exchanged something for it, then you are more likely to try to get the full benefit from it 20:03:28 mightybyte: Right, exactly. So the best approach is to beat a high barrier as early as possible. 20:03:37 Then you have more time in life to benefit from that thing. 20:03:41 so, charging people is really for their own benefit ;) 20:04:00 shapr: Yep. Which is probably why I'm still coding Haskell in vim instead of Yi or Emacs. 20:04:04 heh 20:04:26 well Yi's vim emulation isn't too bad 20:04:31 hej bonobo2 20:04:35 tjenare! 20:04:38 Yeah, I've been wanting to switch to yi 20:04:46 I've tried it, but not recently. 20:04:47 But documentation is ghastly. 20:04:56 Yi is lacking mouse support =( 20:05:01 actually vty is. 20:05:07 Part of my problem is that I've built up years of habit in emacs, and GOBS of customizations. 20:05:13 McManiaC: You're a vim user complaining about lack of mouse support? 20:05:18 That's an oxymoron. 20:05:42 bonobo2: Är du en kanal båt? 20:05:43 mightybyte: I'm using vim for coding, ncmpcpp for music, xmonad as window manager, mutt for emails - and I still like my mouse 20:05:46 :P 20:05:59 shapr: oi! svedes? :D 20:06:11 I use emacs, gnus, xmonad, and mpd bindings I wrote for emacs. 20:06:18 shapr: the bad thing is that I'm not Swedish (yet) just living here for a moment :) 20:06:23 Oh, where at? 20:06:30 shapr: switch to English :) please :) 20:06:36 I'm from the Swedish speaking part of Alabama! 20:06:43 shapr: Sthlm 20:06:57 awesome! Old Town? Sullen Tuna? 20:07:13 shapr: Hornstull right now, so Sodermalm :) 20:07:27 Ok, it's really called Sollentuna, but I love the idea of upset fish in the Swedish archipelago. 20:07:34 yep, cool city in all possible aspects :) 20:07:44 Ah, sodermalm 20:07:49 I used to live in Hasselby Strand 20:07:49 shapr: I love this place :) 20:07:54 ACTION is moving to oslo in a year :D 20:07:55 really? 20:08:16 McManiaC: Oslo is village compared to Sthlm! :D 20:08:22 :D 20:08:26 Yeah, I lived six months in Stockholm, and five years in Boden (outside of Luleå) before that. 20:08:58 I'm going to be here for another 2 months 20:09:04 Student? 20:09:04 then I'll see what happes 20:09:09 nope 20:09:13 trying to work 20:09:19 not working right now 20:09:26 trying to have my own bussiness :) 20:09:27 What do you do? 20:09:33 I did that... 20:09:37 happs devel :) haha 20:09:47 Seriously? 20:09:57 Are you willing to do Erlang work? 20:10:11 I did erlang just a week ago, right now since I can choose I'd like to do some Haskell 20:10:23 You might want to check with John Hughes, he was looking for FP programmers for quviq a few years back. 20:10:31 Erlang is really good, I would not mind do it again! 20:10:47 What's your name? Anyone who does Haskell and Erlang must be a name I've heard before! 20:10:50 I'm Shae Erisson 20:11:04 Some people have even heard of me! 20:11:15 Gracjan Polak 20:11:16 haha 20:11:22 Hm, I have heard that name... 20:11:30 In blog posts maybe? 20:11:36 yep, some stupid questions on haskell cafe :) 20:11:43 gracjanpolak.wordpress.com 20:12:10 if you understand polish.... :) 20:12:13 Have you posted anything in English? 20:12:15 I don't, sorry. 20:12:24 nope 20:12:28 I'm really only clueful in American and Swedish. 20:12:30 but it isn't really anything new 20:12:44 my blog is mostly translations or obviuos stuff 20:12:49 I can get by in several others, but not enough to read about funktionella programmering. 20:12:59 if I disciver something I'll do it in english :) 20:13:05 cool! 20:13:22 anyway I started happstack yesterday 20:13:31 it did install on windows for me like charm! 20:13:35 Yay! 20:13:38 why isnt it used everywhere? 20:13:49 bonobo2: bad documentation 20:14:01 I had much (like in MUCHO) biger problems with PHP when I last tried it 20:14:05 HaPPS momentum? 20:14:10 lack of people who are willing to write haskell ;) 20:14:35 I know quite a lot of like 'if I only could write Haskell...." 20:14:37 :D 20:14:43 yeh 20:14:45 *could* 20:14:55 Erlang is close enough, thou :) 20:15:12 Seems pretty different to me :-) 20:15:22 I've never done much Erlang, could never really get comfortable with it. 20:15:23 to me too 20:15:42 but I find in still comparably different to Java :) 20:15:50 I'm studying physics actually… and I already got an offer to work for our university :D 20:16:08 I did work for university for3 years:) 20:16:09